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Ray_Grieselhuber_-_SMX_Advanced_June_2025.pdf

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 Ray_Grieselhuber_-_SMX_Advanced_June_2025.pdf

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Ray Grieselhuber

June 12, 2025
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  1. Use unified visibility from search data to grow in the

    AI era June 12th, 2025 Ray Grieselhuber CEO, DemandSphere Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber X: @raygrieselhuber
  2. Hi, I’m @raygrieselhuber Founder & CEO of DemandSphere 18+ years

    experience in data systems, engineering, and enterprise SEO Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  3. It’s ALL AI search - the question is the interface

    SERP-only interface SERPs, Chat, & Agentic (AX) Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  4. Three search experiences Google SERPs LLM / Gen AI Agentic

    (AX) Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  5. Zero Click World: the shift from traffic to influence &

    SoV https:/ /sparktoro.com/blog/2024-zero-click-search-study-for-every-1000-us-google-searches-only-374-clicks-go-to-the-open-web-in-the-eu-its-360/ Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  6. Pixel depth & visual rank impact the probability that your

    brand will receive attention Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  7. “SERP Features” will continue to emerge in Gen AI too

    Visual Rank Sentiment Layout Shift Scroll Depth Pixel Depth CTR Modeling Ad Copy Suggested Keywords # of Elements Ad Location Locations Reviews Merchant IDs Business Titles Ranking URLs Title, Meta, etc. Custom Extraction SERP Screenshots Pixel Height SERP Features Search Intent Keyword Clusters Topic Modeling Search Volume Ad Presence Ad Performance Co-Occurrence Competitor Performance Competitor Discovery Share of Voice Visual Share of Voice URL Screenshots NLP Analysis Video Discussions & Forums Social Knowledge Graph SERP Feature Interiors FAQ Flight Details Hotel Details Review details PLA Text Ads People Also Ask Refine this search Organic Commerce Related Products Shops News News Details Price & Currency Google vs. Bing Buying Guide Howto Job Details
  8. Integrating SERP & GSC data for a more complete view

    Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  9. Let’s look at an example (details changed to protect client

    data) Tripadvisor.com (not the actual client) AIO Position: 3 Organic Rank: 5 Visual Rank: 9 Pixel Depth: 2,100 (below 2nd fold) CTR: 33%
  10. Likelihood is high that CTR is coming from AIOs because

    of low pixel depth Tripadvisor.com (not the actual client) AIO Position: 3 Organic Rank: 5 Visual Rank: 9 Pixel Depth: 2,100 (below 2nd fold) CTR: 33%
  11. Point: traffic from Gen AI search is still a rounding

    error… https:/ /gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/united-states-of-america Gen AI search traffic < .03% Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  12. Counterpoint: Your board is breathing down your neck about AI

    strategy and your competitors are jumping on it too Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  13. The most actionable insight in Gen AI is index overlap

    Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  14. The dirty “secret”: AI search depends on traditional organic indexes

    Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  15. Solving the stale content problem with Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG)

    and Google / Bing LLMs Search Engines Answer engine uses combines LLM answers with organic index from Google or Bing (RAG) User receives higher quality and more relevant answer
  16. Google & Bing form the backbone of AI search Google

    AI Overviews Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  17. The 10 blue links are long dead but the index

    is the prize Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  18. ChatGPT is using BOTH Google and Bing indexes These citation

    sources are from Google. See next slide.
  19. Reliance on Google & Bing Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber 51.72% Google Index

    ChatGPT 4o 14.26% Bing Index ChatGPT 4o 34.02% Custom / Remix ChatGPT 4o 37.12% Google Index Perplexity 45.63% Custom / Remix Perplexity 17.25% Bing Index Perplexity
  20. How you model CTR across SERP Features has a big

    impact Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  21. Takeaway #1: There is no more traditional vs. AI search.

    It’s all AI search. Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
  22. Takeaway #3: Integrate the available data sources to build a

    unified view Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber